 Posted 20/01/2010 10:02:21
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Having researched the possible side effects of the Bisophosphonates I have already gone down the route of Strontium Citrate instead. As for it's efficacy I cannot say yet as my next Dexa scan is some time away.
I did to some extent swallow the Calcium theory and regularly call for my AdCal/D3 prescription.
However, there is a lot of research out there that high dosages of calcium do more harm than good especially when the the AdCal contains non of the other chemicals essential to bone turnover. Magnesium a good example just for starters. The worry is that excessive Calcium may not only be bad for bones but also precipitate other diseases such as aortic Calcification or in men Postate Cancer.
I leave you with one of websites that questions the usefulness of Calcium as a supplement. Who do we trust?
http://www.jonbarron.org/athletic-performance/04-01-2003.php?gclid=CL_e64-dip4CFUYA4wodJjsMog
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Posted 20/01/2010 12:13:56
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I'm intolerant to calcium supplements, all of them, I've tried many makes and kinds and they all give me severe diarrhoea. My endocrinologist is very sure that I can get enough calcium from my diet, that's despite the fact that I avoid dairy, and he's happy that I do not take calcium supplements - I can get enough calcium from other foods, but what's more that calcium is there in food synergistically with other minerals and vitamins that go towards my bone health such magnesium, vitamin K, boron, manganese and many other trace minerals that all help.
I do take vitamin D3 supplements though, 2000IU per day, as we cannot get much D from food....though I am discovering that wild salmon is very high in it.
I found the link you sent an interesting read, though I can see Mr Barron is advertising a product ! He says: "historically, people didn’t consume much calcium – and had very few problems with osteoporosis. What they did consume was magnesium – almost 5 times as much magnesium as we consume today. Which brings up a key point: the health of our bones depends far more on other factors such as magnesium, boron, and vitamin D than it does on calcium." and that "traditionally, eating fresh grains, fruits, and vegetables grown in nutrient-rich soil and drinking mineral rich water have been the primary supply for the full spectrum of ionically charged minerals. Unfortunately, naturally occurring, nutrient-rich soil is almost non-existent on commercial farms."
So why not eat traditionally grown food ? I try to buy organically farmed produce as much as possible, it tastes tons better and will be more nutrient dense so I feel confident about getting my calcium and other synergistic minerals and vitamins from food.
Anne (on Strontium Ranelate)
Osteoporosis - Strontium Ranelate, Dekristol vitamin D3 20,000 IU/week, weight lifting, walking and vibration platform exercise, alkaline loaded diet, vitamin K2 MK-7 100mcg/d, K2 MK-4 5mg/d. Diabetes - Repaglinide, low carb diet and exercise. Congenital heart defect - Omacor and CoQ10
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Posted 03/03/2010 10:36:50
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Can anyone answer this quiery I have about Calcichew D3 Forte please?
Is it ok to take it with breakfast cereals like shredded wheat & porridge? Reading the label it says not to take within 2hrs of acids (oxalic & phytic) found in spinach rhubarb & whole cereals. I've only been taking it for a few days and hadn't properly read all of the small print until yesterday. Now I'm confused as I've been told not to take it on an empty stomach (increased risk of kidney stones) so I've been taking it on a morning with decaf coffee & porridge. Should I ditch the porridge in favour of toast or something? What do others do?
Advice greatly appreciated
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Posted 30/04/2010 09:23:39
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| Hi did anyone answer you as I was thinking the same this morning
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Posted 30/04/2010 10:43:16
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| Hiya well, from what I've been reading I'm not sure any research has been conclusive either way but it is suggested calcium supplements should not be taken with high fibre, whole cereals (or spinach & rhubarb). My sister works in a hospital & she asked a bone speciality nurse about this. The nurse's reply was not to worry too much, probably doesn't make much difference. Not sure how scientific that response was! I prefer to err on the side of caution and take it with yoghurt & banana or similar. The cereal I used to have on a morning I now often have as a snack during the day so I don't miss out on it. I still hate taking it though. How do you take yours?
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Posted 30/04/2010 11:42:50
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| It is so difficult to know what to do for the best as I also usually take it the same time as my porridge or oatabix although I take it with 1/2 pint of water 1st. But then I've been reading porridge is an "acid" food as opposed to an alkaline food.
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Posted 30/04/2010 11:52:55
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Somebody else asked this question last week in the thread 'bisophosphates/calcium+vit d /cereals?'
To which I answered:
"Calcium shouldn't be taken with cereals because the phytates in cereals bind to the calcium and that inhibits its absorption. I don't know why it doesn't say this on the leaflet, that's a mystery."
To which she asked:
"You mention about the cereals and binding with the calcium etc...how did you find that out? Did they tell you at hospital?"
To which I replied:
"I found out about it when I read Marilyn Glenville's book 'Osteoporosis, the silent epidemic'. I've seen it mentioned in other books and websites on osteoporosis and nutrition too.
"The fact that the hospital or your doctor doesn't tell you these things means nothing. I also have diabetes and I was referred to my GP's practice dietician - she told me to eat all the things that are bad for my diabetes and she refused to look at my blood glucose test results which showed which foods raised my blood glucose. She is typical of dietitians in the NHS who advise diabetics - on the diabetes forums I'm on it's a standing joke about the dangerous advice these dietitians give. I was so shocked at what the dietitian said that I wrote a letter of complaint about her to my GP and he deleted all the notes the dietitian had put in my medical records as he must have agreed they were bad."
Osteoporosis - Strontium Ranelate, Dekristol vitamin D3 20,000 IU/week, weight lifting, walking and vibration platform exercise, alkaline loaded diet, vitamin K2 MK-7 100mcg/d, K2 MK-4 5mg/d. Diabetes - Repaglinide, low carb diet and exercise. Congenital heart defect - Omacor and CoQ10
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Posted 30/04/2010 16:29:49
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Annabel Lee (30/04/2010)
"The fact that the hospital or your doctor doesn't tell you these things means nothing. I also have diabetes and I was referred to my GP's practice dietician - she told me to eat all the things that are bad for my diabetes and she refused to look at my blood glucose test results which showed which foods raised my blood glucose. She is typical of dietitians in the NHS who advise diabetics - on the diabetes forums I'm on it's a standing joke about the dangerous advice these dietitians give. I was so shocked at what the dietitian said that I wrote a letter of complaint about her to my GP and he deleted all the notes the dietitian had put in my medical records as he must have agreed they were bad."
That makes me really angry! We look to the so-called professionals for advice but quite often doing your own research is far more reliable. Reminds me of the SHO at the Rheumatology clinic the other week who told me it was fine to do sit-ups!
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Posted 29/05/2010 14:59:14
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I just chew one calcichew -D forte in the morning with water and one with water before going to bed. 
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Posted 05/01/2011 23:59:23
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| The point about porrige being acid is that there is some kind of naturally-occurring acid in oats - phytic acid I think? The way to combat this is to leave it for 20 minutes - I soak my oats in milk for 20 mins. & the acid resides. Incidentally spinach is also highly acidic Debbie Anne
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