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RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:30:48 GMT

[quote][b]Piglet (02/02/2011)[/b][hr]My GP said that strontium is weak as a treatment so wants to give me bisphosphonates first. Did you request going on strontium yourself or did your doc, and how have you found it? I've got long standing Psoriatic Arthritis as well as significant osteopenia of -2.4[/quote]
Hi Piglet,

Strontium isn't weak as a treatment at all - it costs more than a bisphosphonate, that's why they like you to try a bisphosphonate first. But I have a history of hiatus hernia and duodenal ulcer which is a contraindication for bisphosphonates so my consultant put me straight on to Strontium Ranelate which, incidentally, I was very happy about. No side effects and I've been on it four years now :)

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Piglet — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:11:16 GMT

Hi Annabel,

I haven't tried the strontium on it's own yet as I've now got sciatica at the moment, haven't had it in years, so might try once I'm better. My GP said that strontium is weak as a treatment so wants to give me bisphosphonates first. Did you request going on strontium yourself or did your doc, and how have you found it? I've got long standing Psoriatic Arthritis as well as significant osteopenia of -2.4 and am only 38 so want to do what's best rather than deteriorate further, especially as I have a little monkey, my 4 year old to look after!

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:22:34 GMT

Hi Piglet,

I have a bad reaction to any form of calcium supplement, whether it is the prescribed sort or the sort from the health food shop so buying a so called 'natural' product is no guarantee that you will not experience an adverse reaction to it. Actually nothing can be natural unless it's within the food it comes with as even a health food supplement, such as AlgaeCal for example, is put together artificially in a factory.

Have you tried the Strontium Boost on its own ?

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Piglet — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:54:22 GMT

Hi,

I started taking the Algaecal and the Strontium Boost recently, having not got on with the calcium prescribed by my doctor and also wanted to put off bisphosphonates if possible. Well, first day I felt nausea and bloating, which I thought was the Strontium so stopped. Then for the next 3 days had just the Algaecal thinking I'd go back to the strontium later. Well, daytime I continued to feel bloated and had sulphur smelling wind, then at night time could not sleep due to what I can only describe as some sort of radiating pressure pain down from my lower back down my buttocks and legs. It still kept me awake even with painkillers. I do have Psoriatic Arthritis but do not normally have that. So, I stopped the Algaecal and low and behold, the pain stopped!

I know everyone is different and maybe some are getting on fine with Algaecal and Strontium Boost, however, I thought I'd let you all know about this. I'm very disappointed, maybe it was my body detoxing from starting to repair itself or something? Or maybe it just doesn't agree with me. I'm starting to wonder if the Algaecal might have other things in due to pollution seeing as it's collected from the sea.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Jo7 — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:03:16 GMT

Hi - I am worried about the side effected of Alendronic Acid and have read the Save our Bones website; am interested in all the posts about AlgaeCal Plus and Strontium but can only find the American website. Does anyone know if you can buy these supplements in the UK please? I have Osteopeania so I am going to look for a book on natural treatments as well - any suggestions?

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:34:11 GMT

Andi here is a link to somewhere that sells Algaecal in the UK: http://www.bionetics.co.uk/acatalog/Algaecal_Plus.html - hope it works well for you. John

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Andi — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:35:41 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the site I was diagnosed with osteopenia/osteoporosis two years after breaking my fifth metatarsal ( the favoured bone break of footballers!). I was first put on alendronic acid which I couldn't tolerate as it made my mouth very sore. So I stopped taking it after a year and just continued with the Adcal tablets. I went to see my GP on Monday after a follow up DEXA scan and he now wants me to take another medication I think called Ibandronic Acid, but I have told him that I do not want to take any medications if I can possibly help it, I have read the side effects and don't comfortable about it. I also mentioned to him about the information in BMJ about the increased risk of heart problems when taking the calcium supplements and he didn't know what I was talking about. I spoke to the nurses at the NOS and they said that if my diet was good and balanced, which it is I eat lots of oily fish green veggies plus nuts and seeds, plus dairy and soya milk that should be enough. However after reading on here I think I might give the Algecal a go do you know I can buy them.

I have also increased my exercise by walking every day 30 to 50 minutes and have just started to lift some weights as well as yoga for balance.
Oh by the way I'm 58 years.

Andi.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

katy — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:31:23 GMT

Thanks for the replies :)

I dont tolerate Aspartame well at all so thats out for me.

So Annabel are you saying that the strontium whether it is the prescribed one or the supplement, carries the risk of bloodclot even though tiny?

Is it the actual strontium that causes this then and why?

I only worry because I have family members with heart attacks etc.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Jen C — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:15:47 GMT

Hi Katy

Further to Annabelle's reply, she mentions that Aspartame is one of the ingredients in Strontium Ranelate, and perhaps you already know that there is a great deal of controversy regarding the effects of Aspartame on one's health. If you google it, you will find a lot of info on Wikipedia and dozens of other websites, which will help you make a decision. It is added as a sweetener to many foodstuffs and medications, including prescribed calcium supplements (eg. Calcichew D3) and other over-the-counter calcium supplements, and personally I wouldn't touch it.

Good luck with making a choice.

Jen

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:07:35 GMT

Hi Katy,

Strontium is a mineral which cannot exist on it's own and so it always comes bound with a 'salt'. In Strontium Ranelate the salt is ranelic acid and in Strontium Boost it is citric acid. It's the same with calcium, it always comes with a salt ie calcium carbonate, caclium citrate etc Strontium Ranelate also contains a small amount of aspartame to sweeten it. From what I understand the blood clot risk - which is very rare - is the same for both Strontium Ranelate and Strontium Boost...but it's really tiny....have a read of this thread where we discussed it before: Strontium blood clot risk

The reason they list so many side effects with Strontium Ranelate is that it is a prescription medicine and they have to list every side effect ever. Strontium Boost, on the other hand, is a supplement and supplements don't have to have their side effects listed. When my son had his wisdom teeth out he was given paracetamol by the hospital and there were dire warnings in the side effects leaflet that came with the paracetamol of liver failure and suchlike- that is ordinary paracetamol that you can buy over the counter. I get very bad side effects from ordinary calcium supplements and I have been instructed not to take any by my doctor - I get side effects from prescription calcium and from health food shop calcium supplements, it makes no difference....but the prescription calcium carries a side effects leaflet and the health food calcium doesn't. So any medication can give you side effects and they all have to be listed or the pharmaceutical company would easily be sued for not telling ! You have to weigh up the risk of side effects from any medication (or indeed supplement) with the risks that osteoporosis brings.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

katy — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:36:40 GMT

I have read this thread through from beginning to end and found it really interesting.
I was diagnosed a few weeks ago with Osteoporosis in the hips and Ostopenia of the back.
I was given Alendronic Acid which after reading was reluctant. to take.
Eventually I have taken it for three weeks and have had various side effects.

Regarding the Strontium Renalate the prescription strontium........ it must have other stuff in it to have a list of side effects and risk of blood clots ....any one know what else is in it?
Blood clots is enough to put me off.

The strontium boost etc that you buy are there any side effects?...... and is it all safe stuff.
Apart from the strontium that is in both, the prescribed drug must have other stuff in to my mind or what is it that can cause the blood clots?
Any help would be appreciated:)

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Jen C — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:32:46 GMT

Hello

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences. My GP was much the same. I am one of the people who is taking AlgaeCal and Strontium Citrate (known as Strontium Boost). I was told by my consultant that NICE, the NHS medical recommending body, would not allow Strontium Ranelate to be prescribed until the patient had tried Bisphosphonates (Alendronic Acid, Fosamax or whatever) first for a few months and found out whether they suffered with side effects. I seriously thought about pretending to take them and then pretending to have side effects and hopefully being changed on to Strontium Ranelate, but why should I be forced into that sort of complicated deceit? Plus I didn't want to waste time in getting onto some sort of treatment.

As I am someone who has multiple food allergies/intolerances due to longstanding M.E., plus I have had 2 lots of breast cancer and had a very bad time with the cancer drugs which I was afraid to refuse, I didn't want to go down that road again. In fact my consultant said that it's likely that I have now got Osteoporosis due to those cancer drugs, so I didn't want to be told 5 years on that I had got yet more problems due to the Bisphosphonates.

I did a lot of research on the Net including on this website, and decided to put myself on AlgaeCal and Strontium Citrate, (which is the main ingredient of Strontium Ranelate, I believe, but with loads of other stuff added in, which I would prefer not to have) and my consultant was ok with that, and anyway, I am paying for it myself. It's not terribly expensive, although obviously I would prefer not to have to pay for it at all, but it is well worth not having the side effects of the drugs!

Totally unexpectedly I suddenly noticed that some upper back pain which I had had for 4 years had disappeared after a few weeks on this regime, so I am thrilled that something seems to be working, although it is too soon for a repeat DEXA scan.

Good luck with it all.

Jen

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:08:16 GMT

I also felt tired after taking Fosamax for two years. I no longer take Fosamax (and have written in an earlier post on this thread about that). I have read that Fosamax depletes CoQ10 which is very important for energy and so am now taking a CoQ10 supplement to counteract this which does seem to be helping.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Faraway2 — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:17:43 GMT

Hi - I'm Janet and I just joined yesterday with a similar sort of query. I'm 54 now and was diagnosed 4 years ago with an overall T score of -3.9 but with areas on my spine of -4.2 and -4.3, so naturally I'm still horrified over this, particularly as I have always been careful over my diet, have never smoked, don't eat junk food and don't have much alcohol and always taken plenty of exercise, so I'm thinking it could be hereditary? I'm taking Fosamax but am thinking of stopping taking it because, although my bones are porous I have been told they are very strong. However if I keep taking Fosamax and no new bone is made, then I will literally end up with brittle bones, albeit denser! Not a lot to look forward to. So I have been reading these American suggestions for about a year now and finally sent off for the "saveyourbones book" yesterday. I'm also thinking about trying the other site which is Health-Reports.com where you can send off for some horribly expensive supplements which, they say, can reverse osteoporosis in a very short time-scale. It's related to the calcium/magnesium/phosphorous ratio. I need to get another Dexa-scan before I start (which is difficult here) but I'm looking and feeling absolutely tired-out most of the time so something is going to have to happen! Has anyone else tried the nutritional approach?

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:26:17 GMT

I believe AlgaeCal should be taken with food ideally - I take them with breakfast and sometimes with the evening meal. The Strontium boost should not be taken with food as it fights with calcium for absorbtion - I take these between breakfast and lunch. Hope it goes well.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Jen C — Wed, 26 May 2010 16:09:15 GMT

Hi again

Further to my last post, I have had a break from AlgaeCal (but having been taking substitute calcium magnesium supplements instead, + Vit D3) and am going to give it another try as a test to see whether I get the stomach gas and tiredness again. I have continued with the Strontium Boost (which is Strontium Citrate) and it's been wonderful not to have any more back pain. If I find the AlgaeCal side effects return, I will post a note on here to sell off the unopened AlgaeCal bottles I have in my fridge if anyone wants them.

Jen

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Wed, 19 May 2010 15:40:06 GMT

Thanks for the feedback Jen. I'm glad it seems to be working for you on back pain.

I haven't noticed any side effects myself but my back pain is almost completely gone after taking both AlgaeCal and the Strontium boost for over a year.

I hope the strontium on its own still does the trick - could you take another manufacturers calcium along with it?

Please let us know how you get on.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Jen C — Fri, 14 May 2010 09:29:34 GMT

Hi Everyone

Re AlgaeCal and Strontium Boost, I have been taking these for 2 months and am thrilled that the 4yrs of pain in my upper back has gone, which is such a relief. However, I noticed I was getting a lot of stomach gas every day plus I have been very tired, but I've got a lot of other health problems and have been quite ill recently, so I put it down to that. But yesterday I came across some postings on another forum (can't remember where) which mentioned tiredness and stomach gas as side effects of AlgaeCal, so yesterday I didn't take it (but continued with the Strontium) and it made all the difference. I used to take Osteocare with no problems, so was not expecting that another type of calcium and minerals would have that effect.

Has anyone else taking AlgaeCal noticed these side effects? I am recovering from M.E. and also have an under-active Thyroid, so I already have very limited energy and really don't need something else to make me feel even more tired, but with AlgaeCal I was yawning non-stop and dragging myself around.

I am very impressed that my back pain has gone, though, so I shall continue with the Strontium.

Jen C

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:45:29 GMT

[quote][b]James (30/03/2010)[/b]
This post appears to have originated from AlgaeCal. Advertising a product on this forum for commercial gain is explicitly against forum rules - play nicely, or you will be banned. Our forum members have a right to have discussions without biased interference.

I would also point out that the article above (Dr Fujita) is unreferenced, and as such isn't more than opinion until backed up by properly referenced facts.[/quote]

What underhand means companies will stoop to to get business :( And people complain about big pharma and say 'natural' is best ! This should teach all of us to never take anything at face value but to investigate and research as much as possible. Whether a doctor, a nurse, a dietician, a pharmacutical company or a health food company, none can be fully trusted to be impartial in their advice. Of course many people are honest and impartial but it's difficult for patients who are feeling scared and vulnerable to know whose advice is impartial.

I would like to point out too, when it comes to impartiality/advertising, that in the Winter issue of National Osteoporosis News in the article about vibration therapy, that the only case study was by Mary Little who is the UK representative for the purchase of the Juvent platform - hardly a person without a financial interest in Juvent ! I took this issue up with one of the NOS staff on the NOS magazine at the time and I know she was okay with this. I still wasn't happy and think they should have had case studies only of people without a financial interest in any of the products. Not every reader of NOS News will know that Mary Little has a financial interest in Juvent - how could they be expected to ? Because I had looked at the Juvent when I purchased my vibration platform I knew of her connection, otherwise I would have been none the wiser.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

James — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:57:57 GMT

[quote][b]Anonymous (29/03/2010)[/b][hr]The author of the article, Dr. Fujita, is an owner of a competing calcium who has been in trouble with the FTC in the past for making wild claims regarding his product

AlgaeCal has been compared to calcium carbonate in the CEVA study showing superior absorption and in the human osteoblast study showing several fold greater effects on human bone building cells versus calcium carbonate. The study was done by University of Connecticut and will soon be published in a prominent peer reviewed journal. How can a plant derived complex of minerals with superior clinical results in comparative research be called calcium carbonate????

You can see the study here {link removed}[/quote]

This post appears to have originated from AlgaeCal. Advertising a product on this forum for commercial gain is explicitly against forum rules - play nicely, or you will be banned. Our forum members have a right to have discussions without biased interference.

I would also point out that the article above (Dr Fujita) is unreferenced, and as such isn't more than opinion until backed up by properly referenced facts.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

April — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:12:46 GMT

Thank you for that. It is very interesting.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

teresart — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:21:37 GMT

Having done a massive amount of research I have decided not to take any of the drugs including the strontium ranelate. I am following an alkaline producing diet, as recommended in the better bones book and also the save our bones website, and others. I am doing pilates and yoga, and walking more. I already feel better than I have for ages, partly I suspect because I have taken control of this, also my GP was very helpful and respectful of my decision. It is interesting that many of the books about this are from USA or Canada...I wonder if that is because we have a different attitude in the UK towards the GP...or because in USA many more women are diagnosed as osteoporotic, because more are tested...I have my doubts about whether that is a good thing! Many of the Drug companies are also based in the US, and most of the research is funded by the drug companies...as they say, go figure!

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:02:59 GMT

I found that I could feel the alendronic acid circulating round my legs shortly after taking it.

I also found it made me tired.

My dentist was pleased that I had come off it as he said that it could cause a wound to not heal in certain cases. So that a tooth extraction site would not heal.

Hope it goes well for you.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

James — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:17:53 GMT

Hmm, that is very strange Anne. I'll continue to look into it - I'll make a post soon showing the different ways of seeing if there have been new posts.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:03:43 GMT

Hi Teresart,

I do not tolerate cow's milk or any dairy products at all but manage to get all my calcium from my diet entirely - leafy green veggies such as kale, cabbage, okra, and many more are high in calcium. So are sardines with bones, and nuts such as almonds and seeds such as sesame. Any calcium that there is in soy is only added, such as calcium carbonate, the same calcium as in supplements, because soy doesn't naturally contain any calcium.

Best of luck when you see your GP. Perhaps you could print off one of the leaflets from the NOS about Protelos.

Sorry you didn't get my last message - I find it's best to click the setting to get sent notifications of mails to the topics you have asked questions on or are interested in otherwise the forum isn't very intuitive for finding new messages !

Sorry James ! I still don't see the coloured things flashing where there are new messages - that worked on the 'Ask the Helpline Nurses' forum, they came up in brilliant red, but never on our forum, at least not for me.

all the best,
Anne

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

teresart — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:46:29 GMT

Hi Anne, thanks, no I did not see it...as I have at present such a lot of info. to get through. saw GP on monday, whose attitude seems to be that I should take the alendronic acid.

I have decided I willl not, and will go back and try and get her to prescribe the protelos...I am not sure if they can or cannot do this, but otherwise I will have to do it privately i expect, and/or get the strontium citrate, also privately.

It is tricky about soy milk: i have been having it for some years, and now feel I must find an alternative, as i don`t tolerate cows milk very well...

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:32:47 GMT

Teresart - I don't think there are any sweenteners in AlgaeCal or Strontium Boost.

The only item I wasn't sure about was the following which is listed for AlgaeCal:

Boron (FruiteX B calcium fructoborate) - the web site has the following on it: http://www.algaecal.com/boron.html - which sounds good to me but then I'm not a chemist!

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:51:40 GMT

Did you see my reply to you about Saveourbones in the 'too much phosphate' question you posted a couple of days ago: [url]http://www.nos.org.uk/forum/Topic1270-6-1.aspx[/url]

Anne

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

teresart — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:07:09 GMT

By the way, that last anonymous post was by me; I forgot to login!

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:54:49 GMT

Carmen - don't forget the Strontium Boost as well as the AlgaeCal (although taken at different times of the day). Good Luck, John

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Carmen — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:09:52 GMT

Hello everybody; I've been following the discussions under this topic with great interest ; I've been taking Strontium Ranelate for 2 months now and thought I was doing fine on it; recently I started feeling very tired, unusually so, on waking up with a dry mouth and sleepy eyes, and feeling very thirsty. I stopped taking Strontium Ranelate and wait to see if things improve; I would be very interested to know if anyone has experienced anything similar on Strontium Ranelate. STrontium Ranelate contains 20 mg of Aspartame, and I know that Aspartame can have side effects , including eye problems, sleepiness, and great thirst; I will speak to my consultant at the hospital about taking Algae Cal instead.

Best wishes to all of you

Carmen

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:48:42 GMT

Good point Lizzy. I tried the UK site and put 2 of the Algaecal in the online basket (without completing the order) and it showed a £5.21 discount from the single price. So there is a discount for multiples but worth checking which is the cheaper for the quantity you want.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Lizzy — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:43:30 GMT

I had a look at this UK website (distributor for algaecal) and it seems too expensive. On the US website, they offer quite a discount if you order a year's supply. Perhaps the UK website will offer a discount if asked. As it stands, it's cheaper to order from the US.

Best wishes

Lizzy

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:56:13 GMT

Annabell thanks for the UK site for AlgaeCal, that is really helpful. I thought I could only buy this from the US. I will use the UK site from now on.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

AnneB — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:02:28 GMT

I see from the internet that you can buy AlgaeCal Plus and Strontium Boost from a UK supplier: [url]http://www.bionetics.co.uk/acatalog/Algaecal_Plus.html [/url] They may work out cheaper than importing from the US after shipping and possible customs duty.

And this 'Sea Calcium' from Higher Nature also looks interesting: [url]http://www.highernature.co.uk:80/ShowProductFamily.aspx?ProductFamilyID=225[/url] It might be similar to AlgaeCal as it says it's made from Lithothamnion Calcarea and AlgaeCal says it's made from Algas Calcarea so those Calcarea are presumably the same family of sea plants. Might be worth looking into.

Higher Nature say they will send samples for you to try so I've asked them for some of their Sea Calcium because you never know, maybe I won't react badly to it like I do to other calcium supplements.

Anne

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Souix — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:35:39 GMT

Morning again JC

Have had a quick look @ the website for AlgaeCal+StroniumBoost. Can you confirm that although the product is going to exceed $30 you did not have to pay duty? If it was over this value was there a special customs information form attached to your package? Sorry for all the questions, but I really don't want to be billed excessive duty if it can be avoided. Thanks for your help and if anyone else has had experience of buying from the States, I would be very grateful for any advice you can give me.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Souix — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:05:55 GMT

Thanks JC will take a look. Tried to order some more Os-Cal before I found NOS forum on AlgaeCal. The cost of the Os-cal was £11.22 for 120 tabs & shipping £22.47 which I think is excessive, I have had some limited experience of buying goods from the States & the shipping was nothing like the shipping costs of the Os-Cal. I did however get stung for import duty because the order I placed exceeded $30, so I'm reassured that you said you haven't had a problem. Many thanks again & I'll let you know how I get on.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:53:47 GMT

Souix, here is a link to the order page for AlgaeCal and Strontium Boost. I haven't tried the Kitchen Sink multi-vitamin. I haven't had to pay any duty so far.

http://www.algaecal.com/order-page.html

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

Souix — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:26:32 GMT

Hello, again. I am the anonymous above, have just completed my registration which I think I should have done before I posted my previous question. So hello to all the people who have contributed to the AlgaeCal+StroniumBoost topic, I have read all of them and they are very interesting and really helpful. Thanks.

RE: AlgaeCal 'natural' treatment

JC — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:26:02 GMT

Thanks Anne, interesting. I'm glad we agree on Eskimo oil. I haven't heard of Omacor but it sounds good if it is made the same way.